This was an interesting look. But, it proves that ChatGPT is like the Internet. You can’t rely on everything that you see. In this case, since Chat searches everything that has been published - used to train the model - and that much of it is media based - what we will see is a media biased result. Could we now say that ChatGPT is a Liberal?
I don’t disagree with the depictions of both Biden and Trump. Both have their faults. One is a career politician vs a “disrupter”. Which do we want? And what are we willing to accept in disruption to make needed changes - fix the immigration situation, stop the singular undiversified message in our universities, etc. I wish we had better choices, but we didn’t.
Later in the ChatGPT analysis, it said that it can’t look at things in a “medicinal” way. But, you asked it to evaluate both men on a psychological basis. What makes ChatGPT capable of doing this evaluation? It is just parroting something that someone - an amateur psychologist in many cases - wrote. Maybe the question should be more related to more firm criteria.
One last point is that, as a person the same age as Biden, I know about “cognitive decline”. But, I also know what I have seen in Biden, and it is more than age related decline. To describe it as such as in the ChatGPT analysis shows that ChatGPT is biased or uninformed, or the question was biased. I’m a regular ChatGPT user and I asked “what did Biden’s inner circle know about his cognitive decline?”! and I got a much different picture from ChatGPT. So, that shows that ChatGPT is very much influenced by the question. “when did you stop beating your wife?” might not get an unbiased answer.
I suggest that you take more time developing your questions so your own biases don’t slant the answer from an already biased ChatGPT. It seems scary to me that, because AI at this point only searches what it has been taught, the “teachers” can bias the whole system!
David, thank-you for the thoughtful comment. Let me briefly respond to several of your points.
"Could we now say that ChatGPT is a Liberal?" Yes, very possibly since it's been educated by the media which historically has had a liberal bias--but the new conservative media outlets are catching up.
"I wish we had better choices..." 100 percent agree.
"...or the question was biased." Very possible it was. Recall that I asked ChatGPT why it didn't mention Biden's decision to stay in the race even though he most have known his mental facilities were rapidly declining. That may have prompted ChatGPT to try to please me.
"I suggest that you take more time developing your questions..." I'll try. Next week I'll be asking ChatGPT about Biden's and Trump's actual results while president. This should be much less subjective.
"...the “teachers” can bias the whole system!" But hasn't that always been the case starting with kindergarten?
This was a very interesting read. In the long run, which approach benefits our country the most and which approach maintains the values of our Democracy ? Our country was built on the backs of immigrants, and they are now being attacked without mercy. I prefer JB vs DT any day of the week. Also, there is no comparison on the morals and ethics front.
Alec, I think nearly everyone agrees legal immigrants have been good for America. The issue is illegal immigrants. President Eisenhower deported (rather forcibly) one million ilegal Mexican immigrants back in the fifties.
Alec, Differentiation is simple. A United States citizen possesses various forms of identification, including a Real ID, Social Security card, birth certificate, and utility bills with the current address. A lawful immigrant must hold a permanent resident card (green card) or, for those temporarily residing in the country, a temporary visa, student visa or Form I-94. Additionally, some states issue Real IDs to authorized migrants. Therefore, individuals who are unable to provide the aforementioned items are considered illegal immigrants.
How did you decide to request that ChatGPT analyze the actions and behavior of these two men for the same timeframe, considering that one was serving in the White House and the other was out of public service? As Tim Furey has suggested, the psychological profile of a president is an intriguing subject of discussion but should never be a decisive factor in evaluating their effectiveness. While personality may contribute to securing an election, it is the implementation of policies that ultimately determines the president’s success or failure. Although ChatGPT serves as a valuable tool, it is crucial to acknowledge that its responses are sourced from various sources, including Wikipedia, media websites, forums, books, and literature. Notably, many of these sources are authored by individuals with political inclinations.
Gerry, as you may have seen in my reply to Tim Furey, next week I'll probably ask ChatGPT to evaluate Trump's first term (2017-2020) and Biden's term (2021-32024) relative to actual results. I need to think about how to ask this so as not to bias the results.
I do believe, though, that a president's character is important. A president's character, values, and behaviour are absorbed by the nation's citizens. Just consider the positive impact Ronald Reagan's character had on Americans, and the world.
Thought-provoking assessment. A couple of comments. Please or thankyou with ChatGPT tends to make its responses sycophantic. I think you got a little of that. Also, it's interesting to try this with some of Trump's entourage, Stephen Miller, Kristi Noem, Pam Bondi. For Miller, I got manipulative, narcissistic, antisocial, empathy, and moral reasoning deficits. For Noem I got callous, manipulative, lacking empathy, attention-seeking, authoritarian, crisis manufacturing. All of them are defined as low cognitive intelligence, low emotional intelligence, and below average in verbal/logical intelligence. All of them, as well as Trump, are considered "street-smart and manipulative but with limited intellectual range and discipline." I wonder who ChatGPT would have voted for.
Ron: I wanted to see what reaction to this piece would be before I read it. I was curious to see how your readers would react to Chat GPT or a non-human evaluating both men. Your question was very pertinent and well-timed. What is troubling, if you ask me, is that Chat GPT’s assessment of Trump’s behavior and strategies is dead on but runs in such contrast to what we expect/believe our Constitution says. It’s as if it was never written or honored. Trump does what he wants, leverages elements of our government to do his bidding which you would hope Chat GPT would recognize - and it does not. Chat GPT does see what Trump is, how he acts and how he lives to disrupt. What I fear it does not see or consider what has been our Presidential history and our expectations - those of us that still believe in Democracy. I’m glad you thought of this and there is a clear distinction between the two men. As I read this, Chat GPT doesn’t - and maybe can’t - consider 250 years of our collective history. Consequently, it doesn’t see the dangers that we do. Glad you did this, Ron. Hope people read it and wake up.
John, based on replies here and the private emails I received, many of my subscribers believe ChatGPT's response was liberal-leaning either because the media is liberal or my question to ChatGPT had a liberal bias. I'm not trying to change anyone's opinion, just inform my subscribers on important topics as objectivley as possible.
I understand. I know how you write, Ron. You’re always very fair. I didn’t get the sense Chat GPT was liberal-biased but I think we’re at a place politically where ANYTHING said positively about Biden’s term is going to be seen as “liberal bias.” I don’t think it is but there you are. As I said, my concern is, no matter how objectively or non-partisan Chat GPT attempts to be, what it can’t and won’t ever consider is the history, the context historically speaking where we are. I think that, our history, ought to be an important part of any discussion.
Chat GPT gives you an output based on the types of input you feed it over time. It it knows you are liberal it will spit this out. If it knows you are conservative, it will a completely different vantage point on the same current events, geopolitics, and key individuals. And given the same prompt.
That's an interesting point, and worth confirming. I'll ask a few friends from the far left to the far right to request an analysis of Biden and Trump. Then evaluate their responses. If ChatGPT is tuning its responses for the individual, it will completely undermine its value, and credibility.
I was surprised by Chat's analysis of President's Biden's psychological profile. It described him in the primaries as having a steady, risk averse approach, marked by consistency rather than charismatic reinvention. He relied heavily on appeals to shared values, patience, and experience-traits suggesting a temperament oriented toward reconciliation and institutional trust. I believe those qualities are what got him elected. No mention of the utter and complete lurch left after the election. The bait and switch as it would seem to many. Chat characterizes this as a willingness to shift pragmatically in response to changing public sentiment. Was it public sentiment or far left sentiment. I found Chat to be highly biased in its analysis of President Biden. I will agree it would have been wonderful to have other choices.
Peggy, you are right about Biden's sudden lurch to the left. But I have a theory. I think Biden might have been strongly influenced by John Kerry. Kerry was a big supporter of the World Economic Forum (WEF) which starting in June 2020 promoted Klaus Schwab's "Build Back Better" program. Once elected, with no plan of his own, Biden adopted the WEF plan even using the same name -- Build Back Better. See pages 159-162 in COVID WARS.
I agree with your assessment but also feel that he was indebted to Rep. Clyburn and the Bernie Sanders agenda for his ascension to nominee for President.
WOW, Ron! What a great idea to pose these questions to ChatGPT. Thanks for sharing the unfiltered results. It seems to me that ChatGPT is very gracious; the review of each man could have been worded in much harsher terms. The future is uncertain...for sure :-).
Pat, thanks for the 2001 clip. I remember seeing the movie back in 1968 when it first came out. Made a huge impression on me. Now, we're on the threshold of AI having similar powers as HAL. God help us.
Very interesting…although the ChatGPT bias toward Biden is self-evident. IMO, the prompt itself asks for a “psychological profile” — whatever that means. As conservative and Trump supporter, like many voters I am not as interested in a “psych pro” which focuses on personality and much more
interested in a policy comparison.
It would be very interesting to slightly edit the prompt to request a POLICY comparison between the two. IMO, this is where the Dems and mainstream media allow the TDS virus to grow — they focus on personality and not POLICY.
Ron:
This was an interesting look. But, it proves that ChatGPT is like the Internet. You can’t rely on everything that you see. In this case, since Chat searches everything that has been published - used to train the model - and that much of it is media based - what we will see is a media biased result. Could we now say that ChatGPT is a Liberal?
I don’t disagree with the depictions of both Biden and Trump. Both have their faults. One is a career politician vs a “disrupter”. Which do we want? And what are we willing to accept in disruption to make needed changes - fix the immigration situation, stop the singular undiversified message in our universities, etc. I wish we had better choices, but we didn’t.
Later in the ChatGPT analysis, it said that it can’t look at things in a “medicinal” way. But, you asked it to evaluate both men on a psychological basis. What makes ChatGPT capable of doing this evaluation? It is just parroting something that someone - an amateur psychologist in many cases - wrote. Maybe the question should be more related to more firm criteria.
One last point is that, as a person the same age as Biden, I know about “cognitive decline”. But, I also know what I have seen in Biden, and it is more than age related decline. To describe it as such as in the ChatGPT analysis shows that ChatGPT is biased or uninformed, or the question was biased. I’m a regular ChatGPT user and I asked “what did Biden’s inner circle know about his cognitive decline?”! and I got a much different picture from ChatGPT. So, that shows that ChatGPT is very much influenced by the question. “when did you stop beating your wife?” might not get an unbiased answer.
I suggest that you take more time developing your questions so your own biases don’t slant the answer from an already biased ChatGPT. It seems scary to me that, because AI at this point only searches what it has been taught, the “teachers” can bias the whole system!
David, thank-you for the thoughtful comment. Let me briefly respond to several of your points.
"Could we now say that ChatGPT is a Liberal?" Yes, very possibly since it's been educated by the media which historically has had a liberal bias--but the new conservative media outlets are catching up.
"I wish we had better choices..." 100 percent agree.
"...or the question was biased." Very possible it was. Recall that I asked ChatGPT why it didn't mention Biden's decision to stay in the race even though he most have known his mental facilities were rapidly declining. That may have prompted ChatGPT to try to please me.
"I suggest that you take more time developing your questions..." I'll try. Next week I'll be asking ChatGPT about Biden's and Trump's actual results while president. This should be much less subjective.
"...the “teachers” can bias the whole system!" But hasn't that always been the case starting with kindergarten?
This was a very interesting read. In the long run, which approach benefits our country the most and which approach maintains the values of our Democracy ? Our country was built on the backs of immigrants, and they are now being attacked without mercy. I prefer JB vs DT any day of the week. Also, there is no comparison on the morals and ethics front.
Alec, I think nearly everyone agrees legal immigrants have been good for America. The issue is illegal immigrants. President Eisenhower deported (rather forcibly) one million ilegal Mexican immigrants back in the fifties.
I agree. Makes sense. How to identify and differentiate the two groups ? Difficult for sure, but can that be dome in a more humane way ?
Alec, Differentiation is simple. A United States citizen possesses various forms of identification, including a Real ID, Social Security card, birth certificate, and utility bills with the current address. A lawful immigrant must hold a permanent resident card (green card) or, for those temporarily residing in the country, a temporary visa, student visa or Form I-94. Additionally, some states issue Real IDs to authorized migrants. Therefore, individuals who are unable to provide the aforementioned items are considered illegal immigrants.
Makes sense.......
How did you decide to request that ChatGPT analyze the actions and behavior of these two men for the same timeframe, considering that one was serving in the White House and the other was out of public service? As Tim Furey has suggested, the psychological profile of a president is an intriguing subject of discussion but should never be a decisive factor in evaluating their effectiveness. While personality may contribute to securing an election, it is the implementation of policies that ultimately determines the president’s success or failure. Although ChatGPT serves as a valuable tool, it is crucial to acknowledge that its responses are sourced from various sources, including Wikipedia, media websites, forums, books, and literature. Notably, many of these sources are authored by individuals with political inclinations.
Gerry, as you may have seen in my reply to Tim Furey, next week I'll probably ask ChatGPT to evaluate Trump's first term (2017-2020) and Biden's term (2021-32024) relative to actual results. I need to think about how to ask this so as not to bias the results.
I do believe, though, that a president's character is important. A president's character, values, and behaviour are absorbed by the nation's citizens. Just consider the positive impact Ronald Reagan's character had on Americans, and the world.
Thought-provoking assessment. A couple of comments. Please or thankyou with ChatGPT tends to make its responses sycophantic. I think you got a little of that. Also, it's interesting to try this with some of Trump's entourage, Stephen Miller, Kristi Noem, Pam Bondi. For Miller, I got manipulative, narcissistic, antisocial, empathy, and moral reasoning deficits. For Noem I got callous, manipulative, lacking empathy, attention-seeking, authoritarian, crisis manufacturing. All of them are defined as low cognitive intelligence, low emotional intelligence, and below average in verbal/logical intelligence. All of them, as well as Trump, are considered "street-smart and manipulative but with limited intellectual range and discipline." I wonder who ChatGPT would have voted for.
Ron: I wanted to see what reaction to this piece would be before I read it. I was curious to see how your readers would react to Chat GPT or a non-human evaluating both men. Your question was very pertinent and well-timed. What is troubling, if you ask me, is that Chat GPT’s assessment of Trump’s behavior and strategies is dead on but runs in such contrast to what we expect/believe our Constitution says. It’s as if it was never written or honored. Trump does what he wants, leverages elements of our government to do his bidding which you would hope Chat GPT would recognize - and it does not. Chat GPT does see what Trump is, how he acts and how he lives to disrupt. What I fear it does not see or consider what has been our Presidential history and our expectations - those of us that still believe in Democracy. I’m glad you thought of this and there is a clear distinction between the two men. As I read this, Chat GPT doesn’t - and maybe can’t - consider 250 years of our collective history. Consequently, it doesn’t see the dangers that we do. Glad you did this, Ron. Hope people read it and wake up.
John, based on replies here and the private emails I received, many of my subscribers believe ChatGPT's response was liberal-leaning either because the media is liberal or my question to ChatGPT had a liberal bias. I'm not trying to change anyone's opinion, just inform my subscribers on important topics as objectivley as possible.
I understand. I know how you write, Ron. You’re always very fair. I didn’t get the sense Chat GPT was liberal-biased but I think we’re at a place politically where ANYTHING said positively about Biden’s term is going to be seen as “liberal bias.” I don’t think it is but there you are. As I said, my concern is, no matter how objectively or non-partisan Chat GPT attempts to be, what it can’t and won’t ever consider is the history, the context historically speaking where we are. I think that, our history, ought to be an important part of any discussion.
Chat GPT gives you an output based on the types of input you feed it over time. It it knows you are liberal it will spit this out. If it knows you are conservative, it will a completely different vantage point on the same current events, geopolitics, and key individuals. And given the same prompt.
This isn’t rocket science
That's an interesting point, and worth confirming. I'll ask a few friends from the far left to the far right to request an analysis of Biden and Trump. Then evaluate their responses. If ChatGPT is tuning its responses for the individual, it will completely undermine its value, and credibility.
Hi Ron,
I was surprised by Chat's analysis of President's Biden's psychological profile. It described him in the primaries as having a steady, risk averse approach, marked by consistency rather than charismatic reinvention. He relied heavily on appeals to shared values, patience, and experience-traits suggesting a temperament oriented toward reconciliation and institutional trust. I believe those qualities are what got him elected. No mention of the utter and complete lurch left after the election. The bait and switch as it would seem to many. Chat characterizes this as a willingness to shift pragmatically in response to changing public sentiment. Was it public sentiment or far left sentiment. I found Chat to be highly biased in its analysis of President Biden. I will agree it would have been wonderful to have other choices.
Peggy, you are right about Biden's sudden lurch to the left. But I have a theory. I think Biden might have been strongly influenced by John Kerry. Kerry was a big supporter of the World Economic Forum (WEF) which starting in June 2020 promoted Klaus Schwab's "Build Back Better" program. Once elected, with no plan of his own, Biden adopted the WEF plan even using the same name -- Build Back Better. See pages 159-162 in COVID WARS.
I agree with your assessment but also feel that he was indebted to Rep. Clyburn and the Bernie Sanders agenda for his ascension to nominee for President.
WOW, Ron! What a great idea to pose these questions to ChatGPT. Thanks for sharing the unfiltered results. It seems to me that ChatGPT is very gracious; the review of each man could have been worded in much harsher terms. The future is uncertain...for sure :-).
All I can say is, "Open the pod bay doors, Hal." See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqCCubrky00
Pat, thanks for the 2001 clip. I remember seeing the movie back in 1968 when it first came out. Made a huge impression on me. Now, we're on the threshold of AI having similar powers as HAL. God help us.
Ron, an excellent experiment. Thanks for sharing it. As for the outcome.. duh!
Very interesting…although the ChatGPT bias toward Biden is self-evident. IMO, the prompt itself asks for a “psychological profile” — whatever that means. As conservative and Trump supporter, like many voters I am not as interested in a “psych pro” which focuses on personality and much more
interested in a policy comparison.
It would be very interesting to slightly edit the prompt to request a POLICY comparison between the two. IMO, this is where the Dems and mainstream media allow the TDS virus to grow — they focus on personality and not POLICY.
Good point, Tim. For next week's Substack, I think I'll take your suggestion and ask ChatGPT to comment on policy and results.